Recent Response

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SDA APOSTASY  

Below is a letter received on November 25, 2007 by a woman named "Keisha." She sent this letter to me (Nicholas) as well as a friend of mine. Before I could answer the letter, my friend sent her a response. The response was so well done I decdied everyone needed to see it. The response is under the letter.


----- Original Message -----
From: Keisha
To: xxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:19 AM
Subject: babylon

Dear Nicholas,

I sent copies of the webpage sdaapostasy.org to several individuals and this is a copy of the most stirring reply i received. I must admit I cant call the SDA church babylon.

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Dear Friend,

There are numerous groups that will arise and suggest that the Church is Babylon.  This is nothing new and will certainly continue to the end of time.  We are told in the Spirit of Prophecy that this will not happen as the tares will be sifted out (see Preparation for the Final Crisis for additional reading).  In short, if these individuals are not aware that they should not be proclaiming this false message, then you must warn them.  If on the other hand, they are fully aware of the error that they are disseminating, I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.  (Roms. 16:17)

FLB 305 - There is but one church in the world who are at the present time standing in the breach, and making up the hedge, building up the old waste places; and for any man to call the attention of the world and other churches to this church, denouncing her as Babylon, is to do a work in harmony with him who is the accuser of the brethren. . .The whole world is filled with hatred of those who proclaim the binding claims of the law of God, and the church who are loyal to Jehovah must engage in no ordinary conflict. . . .Those who have any realization of what this warfare means, will not turn their weapons against the church militant, but with all their powers will wrestle with the people of God against the confederacy of evil. 

TM 43, 44 - Those who advocate error, will say, "The Lord saith, when the Lord hath not spoken." They testify to falsehood, and not to truth. If those who have been proclaiming the message that the church is Babylon, had used the money expended in publishing and circulating this error, in building up, instead of tearing down, they would have made it evident that they were with the people whom God is leading. . . If those who have done this kind of work, had felt the necessity of answering the prayer of Christ that He offered to His Father just previous to His crucifixion,--that the disciples of Christ might be one as He was one with the Father,--they would not be wasting the means intrusted to them, and so greatly needed to advance the truth. They would not be wasting precious time and ability in disseminating error, and thus necessitate the devoting of the laborer's time to counteracting and quenching its influence. A work of this character is inspired not from above, but from beneath.

2SM 63 - I do not doubt your sincerity or honesty. I have written long letters at different times to those who were accusing the church of Seventh-day Adventists of being Babylon, that they were not handling the truth. You think individuals have prejudiced my mind. If I am in this state, I am not fitted to be entrusted with the work of God. But this matter has been brought before my mind in other cases where individuals have claimed to have messages for the Seventh-day Adventist Church, of a similar character, and the word has been given me, "Believe them not." "I have not sent them, and yet they ran."

2SM 66 - God is leading out a people. He has a chosen people, a church on the earth, whom He has made the depositaries of His law. He has committed to them sacred trust and eternal truth to be given to the world. He would reprove and correct them. The message to the Laodiceans is applicable to Seventh-day Adventists who have had great light and have not walked in the light. It is those who have made great profession, but have not kept in step with their Leader, that will be spewed out of His mouth unless they repent. The message to pronounce the Seventh-Day Adventist Church Babylon, and call the people of God out of her, does not come from any heavenly messenger, or any human agent inspired by the Spirit of God.

May God continue to bless and keep you.


  RESPONSE TO ABOVE LETTER:

Dear Keisha,
    1 John 3:1.

Sister Bonnie sent me a copy of the e-mail you sent to brother Nicholas because he was busy. I read your response, as well as the response from the individual who responded to you. 

    I appreciate your sincerety in wanting to follow God's will in everything.  I wish more of our people were as conscientious.  But when using the testimonies of EG White on any issue -- especially the issue of whether or not the SDA church is Babylon, there are two important points which your responder forgot to keep in mind:

    #1) "Regarding the testimonies, nothing is ignored; nothing is cast aside; but time and place must be considered" Selected Messages, book 1, p 57.

    #2) "God's promises are all made upon conditions." Faith and Works, p 47.

     The passages that your responder gave to you about the SDA church not being Babylon must be examined with these two key points above.

    Thus with #1 in mind: when were these passages written?  They were written In the year 1893.  And with #2 in mind: these passages cannot to be looked upon as being unconditional promises that the SDA church could never become Babylon, because all of God's promises are based upon conditions of obedience.

    If fact, in the first quote your responder gave, which was written in the year 1893, it states "There is but one church in the world who are at the present time standing in the breach..."  If the SDA church could never become Babylon, then she would have stated: "There is but one church in the world who will always be standing in the breach..." -- but she didn't give such an unconditional promise.  She wrote that "at the present time" the SDA church is not Babylon.  So this proves that the promises of God to the church are based upon conditions of obedience.

    In doing some further study, you will discover that all these statements on not calling the SDA church Babylon were written for the year 1893 only, and would only continue to be true if the church would continue to walk in the path of faithfulness and obedience to God and His revealed will.

    God's promises are always given on condition that His people remain faithful and obedient to His will, and when a person or a church refuses to remain true to God, they have no right to expect that God will continue to keep them from falling and preserve them as His chosen (see Upward Look, p 131).

    Just look at the Israelites if you doubt this.  They are no longer God's chosen people, because they apostatized from Him!  So the idea of "once a chosen church always a chosen church" is a falsehood.

    In fact, just two year before 1893 sister White warned the SDA church about this Babylon issue:

    "The world must not be introduced into the church, and married to the church, forming a bond of unity.  Through this means the church will become indeed corrupt, and, as stated in Revelation, 'A cage of every unclean and hateful bird'....

     "And when men in the highest responsible positions make no difference between those who serve God and those who serve Him not, they evidence that their eyes are not single to the glory of God; therefore their whole body is full of darkness....

     "Let us not form unholy bonds of union with the friends of the world; for God has pronounced His curse upon all such unions....Already has the power of darkness placed its mold and superscription upon the work that should stand forth untainted, unpolluted, from Satan's cunning devices....Woe be unto him whose wisdom is not from above but from beneath!"  Testimonies to Ministers, p 265, 273, 277.

     So Sister White wrote that if the SDA church becomes married to the world forming a bond of unity, the church would become a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.  Where is this phrase found in the Revelation?  Revelation 18:2 -- dealing with Babylon!  So Sister White wrote in 1891 that if the SDA church becomes united with the world, they would become Babylon!  How could just becoming united or married to the world make the church Babylon?

     Who is the church of Christ married to?  She is married to Christ.  Now if a married woman departs from her husband and unites herself with another, she becomes what?  A harlot.  So basically Sister White was warning that if the SDA church, who is married to Christ, departs from Him and unites herself with the world, that the SDA church would become the harlot of Babylon listed in Revelation 18.

     Now in 1893 the SDA church had not yet departed fully from Christ and united herself to the world, thus fulfilling the conditions necessary to convert them into the harlot of Babylon as God and Sister White warned in 1891.

     Sister White in her testimonies did not unconditionally promise that the SDA church would never become Babylon.  It was that in 1893, they had not yet united with the world, and that's why she stated "at the present time" do not call the church Babylon.  And just so that none of our people would become confused over this vital issue, she writes just two years later in 1895:

     "The world must not be introduced into the church and married to the church.  Through union with the world the church will become corrupt, 'a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.'  The customs of the world must not have a place; for they will be open doors through which the prince of darkness will find access, and the line of demarcation will become indistinguishable between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not....Satanic forces are continually at work through the world, and it is Satan's object to bring the church and the world into such close fellowship that their aims, their spirit, their principles, shall harmonize..."  Review and Herald, February 26, 1895 (vol 3, p 233, col 2).


     So again she emphasizes that if the SDA church departs from Christ and marries herself to the world, that she would become an harlot of Babylon as found in Revelation 18.

     Thus the big question that needs to be asked is; Has the SDA church departed fully from Christ her husband, and united herself to the world committing harlotry?  Did they follow Satan's plan to harmonize together?  Sadly, yes.

     "The line of demarcation between worldlings and many professed Christians is almost indistinguishable.  Many who once were earnest Adventists are conforming to the world--to its practices, its customs, its selfishness.  Instead of leading the world to render obedience to God's law, the church is uniting more and more closely with the world in transgression.  Daily the church is becoming converted to the world."  Testimonies, vol 8, p 118-19  (see also Christ's Object Lessons, p 315-16).


     "The central power of the earth is a demon.  His throne is in the midst of the world, where should have been seen the throne of God.  He has been patronized by the church, for the church has been conformed to the world, and is living in transgression of the Holy Law of God."  This Day With God, p 28 (1900).

     "The church has taken the world into her fellowship, and has given her affections to the enemies of holiness.  The church and the world are standing on the same ground in transgression of the law of God.  The church prefers to assimilate to the world rather than separate from its customs and vanities."  Manuscript 44, 1900  (Last Day Events from the Letters and Manuscripts of E.G. White, p 55).

     Sadly the SDA church departed from Christ and united herself to the world just like the Jewish church did.  Now listen carefully to what Sister White warned about this.

     "By choosing the world and its attractions, they divorce themselves from God."  Review and Herald, July 13, 1897 (vol 3, p 481, col 1).


     The corporate body of Adventism is no longer a separate and peculiar people to God.  The line of demarcation is indistinct.  The church has chosen to conform herself, to be converted, and in harmony with Satan and the world.  This woman has left Christ--her husband and her first love, and has willingly given her affections to Satan.  The church has transgressed the Holy Law of God by becoming a harlot.

     Since the SDA church has united herself to the world, she has fulfilled the condition necessary to become a cage of every unclean and hateful bird or Babylon.  As this is true, then why didn't we hear the cry raised in 1900 that the SDA church had become Babylon?  Because no one wanted to raise that cry in their own fallible human wisdom and erring human judgment as occurred in 1893 with Stanton and others.  God Himself would have to first proclaim that the SDA church had become an harlot of Babylon, and then all of God's true people could safely follow in God's footsteps and proclaim the same, and thus they would have a "thus saith the Lord" to back them up.


     Some may have a problem with calling the church Babylon, but we are told in Testimonies, vol 4, p 615 that the friend of God approves what God approves and condemns what He condemns.  All God's true people will voice the words of God.  Again are we willing to be the friend of God, condemning what He condemns and cherishing what He cherishes?  We all need to closely examine our hearts.

     So the question remains, did the all knowing and all wise God who never errs in judgment, declare the SDA church to be the harlot?  Yes!


     At the 1901 General Conference Session, God tried to remove the kingly controlling power that the SDA church had, since the 1890's, been implementing and using to bind and control the will and consciences of our people.  The church was repeating the same history as did the Jewish church in keeping their people under slavery to men.  Under this type of bondage no one can obtain salvation (see Desire of Ages, p 141).

     Just two days before Sister White was to arrive at the 1901 GC session, she sent this message to the GC leaders:

     "God desires that these committees, which have handled these matters so long, shall be discharged from their rulers and have a chance for their lives...the Lord wants His spirit to enter.  He wants His Holy Spirit to be King....This present standing must come to an end...finally it will come to nothing."  Message to General Conference, April 1, 1901.


     Then she arrived at the session two days later and declared:

     "I feel a special interest in the movements and decisions that shall be made at this conference regarding the things that should have been done years ago...

     "God gave them (GC leadership) clear light as to what they should do and what they should not do, but they departed from the light...

     "That these men should stand in a sacred place to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be, that is past....God wants them to be removed....

     "God has not put any kingly power in our ranks to control..."  General Conference Bulletin, April 3, 1901, p 23-26.


     The kingly power of the SDA church did assent to step down, and Sister White was elated.  But did the SDA church give up their authority and control over our people?  Did they really allow God's Holy Spirit to be King and to recreate our people in the image of God?  Or did the church leadership continue to exercise their papal supremacy over our people, keeping them under slavery and never to fully reflect the image of God and be saved while under such influence?  Was Sister White's excitement short lived?

     "What a wonderful work could have been done for the vast company gathered in Battle Creek at the general conference of 1901, if the leaders of our work had taken themselves in hand.  But the work that all heaven was waiting to do as soon as men prepared the way was not done; for the leaders closed and bolted the door against the Spirit's entrance....The doors were barred against the Heavenly Current that would have swept away all evil...They built themselves up in wrong doing, and said to the Spirit of God, 'Go thy way for this time; when I have a more convenient season, I will call for thee.'"  Letter 123, August 23, 1902 (Battle Creek Letters, p 55-56).


     "The results of the last general conference (1901) has been the greatest, the most terrible sorrow of my life, no change was made....Men did not receive the testimonies of the Spirit of God...

     "It is a perilous thing to reject the light that God sends.  To Chorazin and Bethsaida heaven's richest blessings had been freely offered.  Day after day the Prince of Life had gone in and out among them....but they refused the heavenly gift, and of them the Saviour said; 'Woe unto thee, Chorazin!  Woe unto thee, Bethsaida, for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.  But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you.'

     "So today upon those who have had light and evidence, but who have refused to heed the Lord's warnings and entreaties, heaven's woe is pronounced.

     "The Lord bore long with the perversity of Israel, but the time came when the people passed the boundaries..."  Manuscript Releases, vol 13, p 122-23 (Letter 17, January 14, 1903).


     God had tried to reach the SDA church and to lead her to repent and come back to Him, letting Him be her Husband and King once again, instead of Satan being her husband and king.  But the leaders refused, and pushed God's Spirit out of the church, closing, bolting and barring the door against Him so that He could not get back in.

     With God's presence completely outside of the SDA church structure, Satan took control.  And in the 1903 GC session, all pretense of following God were done away with and in the eyes of the entire church, the leaders voted to go directly against God, to go directly against their prophet and to bring back their kingly papal power of control over our people, keeping them blind and in bondage to a corrupt church just like the Jews.

     Just two weeks after the SDA church decided to apostatize and depart completely from Christ, her first Husband, God Himself, who never errs, declared the SDA church to be the harlot of Babylon.

     "Why is there so dim a perception of the true spiritual condition of the church?  Has not blindness fallen upon the watchmen standing on the walls of Zion?...Who can truthfully say, 'Our gold is tried in the fire; our garments are unspotted by the world'?  I saw our Instructor pointing to the garments of so-called righteousness.  Stripping them off, He laid bare the defilement beneath.  Then He (Christ) said to me: 'Can you not see how they have pretentiously covered up their defilement and rottenness of character?  'How is the faithful city become an harlot!  My Father's house is made a house of merchandise, a place whence the divine presence and glory have departed!'"  Testimonies, vol 8, p 248-50 (April 21, 1903).


     God Himself who never errs, has through His own unfailing wisdom and infallible judgment declared the SDA church to be a harlot of Babylon, and that His divine presence and glory had departed from the SDA church and organization.  God is no where to be found in the SDA churches.

     The SDA church has left the side of Christ and has chosen to go to bed with Satan, Christ's rival and adversary.  They have chosen Satan as their new husband and king in the place of God (see Testimonies to Ministers, p 396).  And they are continuing to lead our precious brothers and sisters down to hell while all the time saying: "The church can never become Babylon!  The church can never fall!  It will go through to the sea of glass as a corporate body, so do not separate from her or you will be lost!"

    So the question is: Will you believe these lies spoken by the corrupt church leadership in the hopes of keeping you bound to an apostate church which is heading for destruction?  Or will you follow Christ out of the church realizing that He is nowhere to be found in her midst, but is waiting outside the gate and loudly calling all of His true followers to come and join Him! (see Hebrews 13:12-13; Isaiah 52:11; Revelation 18:4).  The choice is yours to make.

    I hope this has helped you to understand more clearly this important issue.  If you would like to know more of the history surrounding the church in the year 1893, as well as other important events, in a year-by-year setting so that you will see the context of what was then taking place, please visit this link: www.LightMinistries.com/SDA/Books/id94.htm

    If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to let us know.  We are keeping you in our prayers, and sincerely hoping that you will make the right decision.

    May God bless you with His Spirit and truth.

     James 1:5,
    elder robert




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